Babyface Ray is speaking in unusually direct terms about the pressures that surround rap culture, family responsibilities and the choices people make when pain is close at hand. In a Big Facts episode released November 3, the Detroit rapper questioned why guns, cups and pills appear to hold such appeal for younger people.
“Like, everybody just zombied out. They want a gun. They want a cup. And they want a perk,” Ray said.
It is a compact observation, but it carries more weight in the context of Ray’s previous openness about grief and substance use. He has also discussed being a father of seven, the work of remaining present for his children while making music, and the ways his children give him motivation to continue. The conversation is therefore not simply a criticism of trends. It is a look at responsibility, loss and survival from an artist who has described living through difficult periods himself.
A warning rooted in lived experience
The word cup is commonly used in rap-adjacent language as shorthand for a drink associated with lean, while perk is shorthand for a Percocet pill. Ray’s formulation groups those drug references with guns, framing all three as objects of desire that can become normalized or pursued without enough reflection on the consequences.
He did not offer a broad diagnosis of why younger listeners or artists seek them out in the interview details available. That distinction matters. His point was a personal, blunt reaction to what he sees: people appearing “zombied out,” with attention pulled toward weapons, drug-related status symbols and pills.
Ray has prior experience that informs why the topic is more than an abstract cultural complaint. In a 2022 profile connected to his album FACE, he said he used pills and lean as a way of coping after his son was stillborn. He described that era as a particularly dark stretch, one in which he felt divided between music and the streets and found himself questioning his faith.
“I was in a dark, dark place,” Ray said of that earlier period.
He also spoke then about being afraid of how people might judge decisions he needed to make. Those remarks sketch the difficult social layer behind recovery and redirection: changing course can involve more than an individual decision when a person is concerned about outside perceptions, expectations or the consequences of leaving a familiar environment.
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Ray later described refocusing on his life and his music. His new comments do not establish a specific program or prescription for other people, and it would be a mistake to turn one interview answer into either. But they do show continuity. The artist criticizing the apparent chase for pills and lean imagery is also someone who has publicly said that substances were tied to a painful attempt to cope.
Fatherhood is central to the conversation
Ray said he has seven children, and fatherhood was a major part of his discussion in the new interview. He spoke about the challenge of balancing a recording career with raising children, keeping busy and making sure he is there for them.
That is a practical tension rather than a tidy inspirational slogan. A music career creates demands on time and attention; parenting requires both as well. Ray’s comments place being present alongside the work, rather than presenting family as an afterthought to professional momentum. He said his children look to him and give him a reason to keep going.
That perspective gives the earlier warning about guns and drugs another dimension. For Ray, responsibility is not only about what an artist says on a track or in an interview. It is also about how he moves through life when children are watching and relying on him. He did not suggest fatherhood eliminates hardship, grief or pressure. Instead, he identified his children as a reason to persist amid those things.
He has also gathered footage for a documentary. No title, release date or further production details have been announced, so it remains an undeveloped project from the public’s point of view. Still, the existence of collected footage suggests Ray has been preserving material from this chapter of his life and career rather than treating these reflections as isolated interview moments.
Mentorship beyond the studio
Ray’s recent work with Detroit rapper Lelo offers another example of the role he is occupying. Their connection led to Ray appearing on “On The Wall,” after engineer and producer 4amjuno—who works with Ray and produces for Lelo—introduced Ray to the record at a home recording session.
The collaboration was not described only as a feature arrangement. Lelo has said he contacted Ray with questions about investments and real estate, areas that sit outside the immediate mechanics of recording music. That detail is significant because it broadens what advice from an established artist can mean. Career guidance can include songs, performances and studio discipline, but it may also concern decisions that affect stability away from the stage.
Ray brought Lelo out at Racket in New York on June 9 during a tour with 42 Dugg and Jorjiana. A guest appearance on a tour stop can offer visibility, but the reported relationship appears to have a wider basis: musical collaboration, shared Detroit connections and conversations about building a life beyond the next release.
None of that makes Ray a spokesperson for an entire generation of artists, nor does it mean every interaction is formal mentorship. It does, however, put his comments on responsibility in a concrete setting. The artist voicing concern about what people chase is also being approached for perspective on investments and real estate.
Detroit rap’s expanding audience
Ray also reflected on a change in Detroit rap itself. He contrasted songs rooted tightly in the local environment with music that can travel more easily to a broader audience. In his view, contemporary Detroit rap has more “sauce and swag,” making it more relatable beyond the city.
That observation is not a dismissal of local specificity. If anything, it recognizes a shift in how regional scenes can retain identity while reaching listeners elsewhere. “Local environment” in this context means music shaped by the places, habits, language and circumstances immediately around the artists who make it. A wider audience does not necessarily require those roots to disappear; Ray’s point is that the presentation has become more accessible across markets.
His work with Lelo fits that idea. The collaboration comes from Detroit creative relationships, including 4amjuno’s role connecting the two artists, while a New York tour stop provided a larger-stage moment. Local ties and wider reach are not opposing forces in that account. They are part of the same path.
That evolution is also relevant to Ray’s candidness. As an artist’s audience broadens, remarks about drugs, violence, grief and family can circulate far beyond the original community that gave the music its starting point. Ray’s comments do not reduce complicated realities to a single answer. They underline that popularity, imagery and personal pain can overlap—and that questioning their pull is different from pretending the pressures behind them do not exist.
What Ray has and has not said
There is a temptation to flatten celebrity interviews into simple redemption stories or simple controversy. The available details support neither extreme. Ray has spoken critically about the desire for guns, cups and pills. He has discussed prior substance use in the context of coping with the stillbirth of his son. He has said fatherhood motivates him, and he has described working to balance parenting with music.
He has not announced a documentary title or release date. He has not laid out a detailed campaign, treatment program or universal solution to substance use and violence. And no single statement can explain the full range of experiences within Detroit rap, hip-hop generally or young people’s lives.
What is clear is the through-line in Ray’s public reflections: pain can push people toward damaging coping mechanisms; responsibility can provide a reason to change direction; and success in music does not remove the obligation to be present for family or thoughtful about the influence of public images.
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